ATI launch Radeon HD 4850 and HD 4870

Monday 23rd June 2008, 08:00:00 AM, written by Rys

Early this morning GMT saw AMD officially set free a new generation of Radeon products based on a brand new GPU.  Radeon HD 4850 and Radeon HD 4870 go head to head with refreshed and new G92- and GT200-based GeForces from NVIDIA, and the GPU used to create the new Radeon products is an absolute stormer.

Appearance and on-paper figures can be deceiving, since despite having diminuitive dimensions for the die and a comparatively small external memory bus width, RV770 punches harder than any other GPU the Graphics Products Group at AMD have seen fit to release.

The near 960M transistor chip is a svelte 260mm square, and packs a scarcely believable 800 scalar shader processors, arranged in R600- and RV670-like SIMD arrays of 80 each, via the same 16 x 5-way arrangement.  Each SIMD array packs a data sampler unit capable of 16 scalar fetches and a quartet of bilinearly filtered results per clock.

HD 4870 uses brand new GDDR5 for its external DRAM pool, AMD working closely with JEDEC partners to make it happen.  In fact, it leads the JEDEC committee that created the new graphics memory standard, and the new memory controller design for RV770 is tailored to work as well as possible with the new memories.

With 512MiB of 3.6GHz GDDR5 (115GB/sec from 256-bits is enormous) and a 750MHz core clock, Radeon HD 4870 is the faster of the two launch configurations using RV770, and it gives the product some NVIDIA-worrying performance on-paper.  The chip is capable of realisable rates that hit 1.2Tflops of FP32 compute, 24Gtexels/sec of INT8 bilinearly filtered samples, and the 4 quad ROPs will write Z only at 48Gpixels/sec.

Radeon HD 4850 uses 512MiB of GDDR3 (64GB/sec from 256-bit at 2GHz) with a 625MHz clock, giving 1Tflop/sec of FP32 compute, 20Gtexels/sec of INT8 filtering and 40Gpixel/sec Z-only writes.

Implementation details include 1/4 speed FP64 compute ability (industry leading rates therefore result), half speed FP16 filtering (1/2 RV670 per sampler per clock) and full speed FP16 colour writes (2x RV670 per ROP per clock).  So the ratios of compute/sample/ROP change compared to the older generation, while sharing the same basic architecture.

We'll cover as much of those details as we can in our upcoming architecture evaluation, just as soon as we've spent more time with the hardware.

Real-world gaming performance evaluations from our friends at Tech Report and Hardware.fr mean the $199 and $299 products are very attractive when compared to the competition.  The $239 GeForce 9800 GTX+ looks to be a minor waste of NVIDIA's time, Radeon HD 4850 more than a match, with HD 4870 taking on the $399 and $649 (LOL) GeFroce GTX 260 and GTX 280 and often beating the $649 part, especially when a reasonable level of AA gets turned on.

Put simply, NVIDIA are in an immediate position of having overpriced new hardware almost straight out of the gate, with the $649 asking price of GTX 280 a significantly difficult sell for a gamer.

We look forward to looking more closely at the chip architecture soon.  AMD have produced a monstrous chip, putting them right back on the 3D graphics roadmap after a serious spell in NVIDIA's shadow.

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Latest Thread Comments (36 total)
Posted by Npl on Tuesday, 06-Oct-09 11:38:46 UTC
I wonder if all those tuners can be used outside of the USA and Japan. We got 4 DVB-T channels over "the air" around here (and all of those are crap), cable-users could make use of multiple tuners currently but the providers will disable all DVB-C transmission in favor of settop-boxes somewhen the next two years.

Only leaves up SAT, but does the Cell-TV actually have DVB-S tuners (and how many of em)?

Posted by Weaste on Wednesday, 07-Oct-09 10:39:55 UTC
Well, according to the BBC (take that how you wish), it will be eventually incorporated into the monitor.http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8293889.stmSeems to me that the box has 3TB of storage for recording 8 channels at once (PVR), the Cell board (I suppose that the SCC is also in there.), and 8 TV tuners.Direct from the horse's mouth:http://www.toshiba.co.jp/about/press/2009_10/pr0501.htmWhat these are exactly, I'm not too sure.Image: http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim//2009/10/06/cellregza2_540x360.JPG

Posted by Xenus on Wednesday, 07-Oct-09 14:52:49 UTC
It'd be nice if they based a dvr service off of it and allowed it to be bought without the tv. Basically make it a super upscaling massive storage dvr box.

Posted by Shifty Geezer on Wednesday, 07-Oct-09 16:04:16 UTC
Well, without wanting to get into a CE discussion in the Cell board, surely most folk who'd buy this TV already have all singing, all dancing PVRs. Isn't 8 channels at once plain overkill, especially on demand? The real question is what is the Cell clocked out and how much effort is it having to go to when scaling? Will an upscaling only panel, no fancy extras, need a full Cell or SPURSengine? If it needs a Cell, the addition of a fan would be pretty catastrophic IMO.

Posted by Crossbar on Wednesday, 07-Oct-09 20:00:55 UTC
Quoting Shifty Geezer
Well, without wanting to get into a CE discussion in the Cell board, surely most folk who'd buy this TV already have all singing, all dancing PVRs. Isn't 8 channels at once *plain overkill*, especially on demand?
Sure, but it would be pretty neat to continuously record your 8 favourite channels and keep a buffer of a couple of days, that you can fastforward through, when you feel like it. :razz:

Posted by Weaste on Thursday, 08-Oct-09 22:27:13 UTC
Do we know what process this version of the Cell is on (it could be also 8 fully functioning SPUs)? Maybe it doesn't need a fan? All I see are pipes. It is however a Cell BE.

Posted by pcchen on Friday, 09-Oct-09 01:47:54 UTC
From report here (http://av.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20091005_319591.html) (Japanese) it's a tuner box. It's also very pricy (about 1 millon yen with the LCD TV). The box has 11 ISDB-T tuners, 3 satellite tuners, and one analog TV tuners. The CELL processor in the tuner box performs basic media processing such as decoding, upscaling, and deinterlace. It's supposed to be able to do time-shift on 11 ISDB-T channels, and allow viewers to switch between the channels and doing time-shift at the same time on all 11 channels.

It also supports IPTV such as Youtube and TV Yahoo! JAPAN. It uses Opera as web browser.

Posted by Shifty Geezer on Saturday, 10-Oct-09 10:24:05 UTC
Okay, so totally overkill for just driving a TV. In fact it sounds more like a studio box to me than home CE product. 11 tuners?! :shocked: The upscaling portion may well fit onto a SPURSEngine. Have they unveiled a TV line yet of different upscaling models?

Posted by pcchen on Saturday, 10-Oct-09 10:44:12 UTC
Well, the ability to preview 8 channels at once seems to be a good feature for couch potatoes when trying to find something interesting in 100 channels, it's 8 threads working at once! :P

Seriously though, I think the problem is that CELL is still too expensive to be justified for just something simple, such as a simple upscaling/deinterlace/denoise box. That's why they make it so big. Personally I'd like to have a simple TV with such processing capabilities, that'd satisfy me enough.

Posted by Shifty Geezer on Saturday, 10-Oct-09 10:51:14 UTC
I suppose so. But then if their upscaling is that good, I'd have thought the premium they could charge for that feature alone would be well worth it.


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